Comments on: Conversation is the real king — a continuation http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/ Joel Kelly's Blog Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:06:25 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Marc http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/comment-page-1/#comment-249 Marc Thu, 07 May 2009 11:04:00 +0000 http://ingenioustries.com/blog/?p=182#comment-249 I'd agree with that... I’d agree with that…

]]> By: Joel Kelly http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/comment-page-1/#comment-248 Joel Kelly Wed, 06 May 2009 19:09:00 +0000 http://ingenioustries.com/blog/?p=182#comment-248 Well, lots of people do say context is king, so that's a fair point.<br /><br />What I'm saying is that all content may potentially contribute to a conversation, but not all conversation can be called "content." It's something that's larger than content and it isn't independently created or crafted. It's something more important that you should hope to add to and help facilitate.<br /><br />Anyway, we probably mostly agree but for bickering over terminology at this point. Well, lots of people do say context is king, so that’s a fair point.

What I’m saying is that all content may potentially contribute to a conversation, but not all conversation can be called “content.” It’s something that’s larger than content and it isn’t independently created or crafted. It’s something more important that you should hope to add to and help facilitate.

Anyway, we probably mostly agree but for bickering over terminology at this point.

]]> By: Marc http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/comment-page-1/#comment-247 Marc Wed, 06 May 2009 16:49:00 +0000 http://ingenioustries.com/blog/?p=182#comment-247 That’s a different point. Now your saying the style and delivery of the content adds important non verbal meaning to the content. <br /><br />Can you put 'marketing asshole' on your business card or on your resume? Probably not - although it would create conversation and apparently that is your goal - but on you blog it’s ok. The umbrella 'blog brand', i.e. alternative media, controversial etc..., makes it ok, it’s expected so it’s on brand. In fact that piece of content adds a very important clue for the readers and creates and expectation of your blog content. <br /><br />So maybe the context of the content is king? I would agree with that<br /><br />Marc That’s a different point. Now your saying the style and delivery of the content adds important non verbal meaning to the content.

Can you put ‘marketing asshole’ on your business card or on your resume? Probably not – although it would create conversation and apparently that is your goal – but on you blog it’s ok. The umbrella ‘blog brand’, i.e. alternative media, controversial etc…, makes it ok, it’s expected so it’s on brand. In fact that piece of content adds a very important clue for the readers and creates and expectation of your blog content.

So maybe the context of the content is king? I would agree with that

Marc

]]> By: Joel Kelly http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/comment-page-1/#comment-246 Joel Kelly Wed, 06 May 2009 12:11:00 +0000 http://ingenioustries.com/blog/?p=182#comment-246 As I said on Twitter, if you're saying that all conversations are content, then you're saying nothing significant about those terms. Content is king if we call conversations content, but I think that's a complete underestimation of what conversation really is, and how much more power it has than planned or prepared "content." As I said on Twitter, if you’re saying that all conversations are content, then you’re saying nothing significant about those terms. Content is king if we call conversations content, but I think that’s a complete underestimation of what conversation really is, and how much more power it has than planned or prepared “content.”

]]> By: Marc http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/comment-page-1/#comment-245 Marc Wed, 06 May 2009 11:04:00 +0000 http://ingenioustries.com/blog/?p=182#comment-245 Ok, Ok I agree! Your right - we go on vacation for the content.<br /><br />For the short term content and the long term content. We go for content that enriches our lives and makes us more interesting to ourselves and to other people<br />- and yes I’m in need of a vacation.<br /><br />The content of the vacation gives us purpose for conversations, day dreams, paintings, poems, internal beliefs, feelings and for memories that make us smile on a rainy day. As content becomes more diverse and rich, the conversations (I'm proposing all of the above are conversations) become more diverse and rich and in turn create more content...and the content circle is complete.<br /><br />There is no linear relationship between content and conversation that gives one more value over the other. Content is King because it dictates the conversation it is the only purpose of a conversation. Content is king because it is the conversation.<br /><br />Marc<br /><br />Note: I posted this in your post on vacations by mistake so I'm not purposly spamming you blog...I'm doing it just not on purpose.) Ok, Ok I agree! Your right – we go on vacation for the content.

For the short term content and the long term content. We go for content that enriches our lives and makes us more interesting to ourselves and to other people
- and yes I’m in need of a vacation.

The content of the vacation gives us purpose for conversations, day dreams, paintings, poems, internal beliefs, feelings and for memories that make us smile on a rainy day. As content becomes more diverse and rich, the conversations (I’m proposing all of the above are conversations) become more diverse and rich and in turn create more content…and the content circle is complete.

There is no linear relationship between content and conversation that gives one more value over the other. Content is King because it dictates the conversation it is the only purpose of a conversation. Content is king because it is the conversation.

Marc

Note: I posted this in your post on vacations by mistake so I’m not purposly spamming you blog…I’m doing it just not on purpose.)

]]> By: Joel Kelly http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/comment-page-1/#comment-244 Joel Kelly Tue, 05 May 2009 16:13:00 +0000 http://ingenioustries.com/blog/?p=182#comment-244 Absolutely, Stuart. "My content isn't meant to be conversational" is really saying, "people don't care enough about my content to talk about it." Absolutely, Stuart. “My content isn’t meant to be conversational” is really saying, “people don’t care enough about my content to talk about it.”

]]> By: Stuart Foster http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2009/05/conversation-is-the-real-king-a-continuation/comment-page-1/#comment-242 Stuart Foster Tue, 05 May 2009 15:20:00 +0000 http://ingenioustries.com/blog/?p=182#comment-242 Like this approach a lot. If conversation doesn't exist, does the content matter? I think to a large extent no. It's the same argument as the tree falling in the forest. You need to incite, engage and facilitate conversation to develop your professional growth and that of those around you. Like this approach a lot. If conversation doesn’t exist, does the content matter? I think to a large extent no. It’s the same argument as the tree falling in the forest. You need to incite, engage and facilitate conversation to develop your professional growth and that of those around you.

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