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		<title>By: &#8220;Get Over Yourselves&#8221; My Podcamp Toronto talk — Ingenioustries.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Get Over Yourselves&#8221; My Podcamp Toronto talk — Ingenioustries.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The video is now up from my Podcamp Toronto 2010 talk I did in February. It&#8217;s the foundation for my recent posts about social media and social change. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How do we update the infrastructure of giving? — Ingenioustries.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>How do we update the infrastructure of giving? — Ingenioustries.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I proposed a system of allowing people to have their credit cards charged whenever they retweet a message about a particular cause, or append a special hashtag to their tweets. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Isao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of raising the bar - but I believe it can co-exist with lowering the bar. Allow people to stay connected as easily as we can, then set a higher goal for those who want to do more. The former option wasn&#039;t just there in the early days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of raising the bar &#8211; but I believe it can co-exist with lowering the bar. Allow people to stay connected as easily as we can, then set a higher goal for those who want to do more. The former option wasn&#8217;t just there in the early days.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, Marni. It&#039;s a means to publicize an end, not an end in itself, right?

And thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, Marni. It&#8217;s a means to publicize an end, not an end in itself, right?</p>
<p>And thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Marni</title>
		<link>http://ingenioustries.com/blog/2010/02/social-media-has-lowered-the-bar-for-doing-good/comment-page-1/#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Marni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit passionate about this subject.  Writing about it as part of my graduate degree.

One answer is to stop using social media as something to do and start using it as a way to motivate other behaviour.

Don&#039;t move your budget to social media from your offline activities.  Use your social media budget to drive more traffic to your offline activities.  Do it well.
 
(Congratulations on being picked up at Brazen Careerist)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit passionate about this subject.  Writing about it as part of my graduate degree.</p>
<p>One answer is to stop using social media as something to do and start using it as a way to motivate other behaviour.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t move your budget to social media from your offline activities.  Use your social media budget to drive more traffic to your offline activities.  Do it well.</p>
<p>(Congratulations on being picked up at Brazen Careerist)</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, thank you so much for that fascinating and thoughtful comment. I really appreciate you taking the time.

I don&#039;t disagree with any of that, and want to make it clear that I don&#039;t believe for a second that social media isn&#039;t useful for social good (my blog talks extensively about the power I believe SM has to promote things and get people to take action). My concern is only that there could be a tendency for online chatter to reduce the likelihood for someone to take real-world action.

I may be unintentionally inflating the danger, but it seems to me to be a legitimate concern and one worth discussing.

So my question continues to be, if people are going to keep chatting in social media, and people are going to continue to want to actually do good, how to we ensure that those who really want to do real, actual good work are helped by social media and not impeded by its low barrier for participation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thank you so much for that fascinating and thoughtful comment. I really appreciate you taking the time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with any of that, and want to make it clear that I don&#8217;t believe for a second that social media isn&#8217;t useful for social good (my blog talks extensively about the power I believe SM has to promote things and get people to take action). My concern is only that there could be a tendency for online chatter to reduce the likelihood for someone to take real-world action.</p>
<p>I may be unintentionally inflating the danger, but it seems to me to be a legitimate concern and one worth discussing.</p>
<p>So my question continues to be, if people are going to keep chatting in social media, and people are going to continue to want to actually do good, how to we ensure that those who really want to do real, actual good work are helped by social media and not impeded by its low barrier for participation?</p>
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		<title>By: Marni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While txt for donations is a unique fundraising approach that raises dollars from non-traditional donors, it does have drawbacks.  The true value in any donor is the life time value (LTV).  LTV describes the likely total giving to a charity based on the previous acquisition of donors.  While it’s commonly used to calculate a reasonable cost for acquisition, it also informs on the issue of one-time donors.  The text and payment through a cell phone bill prevents the charity from learning the identity of the donor.  That means the LTV of the donors solicited through this m-Commerce model is $5.  Not a significant gain for the charity.  A more robust networked approach may have garnered the same initial total and enhanced their database with donors who might contribute $5/month for 3 years for a LTV of $180. 

Capturing information that allows a charity to build a relationship with the donor is almost always the best investment for long term growth.

Where social networking/media has been used successfully is US politics.  Barrack Obama is usually the success story written about, but I think Howard Dean is the originator. 

Howard Dean launched e-Philanthropy in the American political context.  He was the darling of the blogging set.  While he used the Internet, it was really a grassroots movement that sprung up around him using the tool meetup.com.  Howard Dean listened and read his supporters.  He responded to their criticisms and comments.  He removed any campaign impediments to grassroots activities.  Gary Wolf’s article in January 2004 “Wired” connected his early success with five popular Internet axioms:
•	Make the network stupid.
•	Let the ants do the work.
•	Leaders are places.
•	Links attract links.
•	Allow the ends to connect.   

Make the network stupid was the campaigns approach to not optimizing supporters for anything in particular.  The implications were that the central campaign allowed hundreds of independent groups to function without interference.  By focusing on a model where information was pushed out, and results were received, but planning, choices and decisions are at the grass roots level there was nothing to interfere with continuous growth. 

Let the ants do the work was the part of the model that allowed those in traditional un-influential states to impact the early campaign.  “Because the entire Dean system [was] densely linked, the distant work of all the local groups feeds back into the campaign.”  The information that was pushed out from headquarters was enhanced by the mesh of volunteers.  Materials were sent among groups.  Intensive letter writing campaigns from one part of the country changed the outcome in completely different states.

Leaders are places is an interesting way to describe the welcoming approach of the Dean campaign.  In effect, Dean’s run for Presidential-nomination was about providing a way – a place – for others to participate.  The ease of participation connected bloggers to other bloggers and influenced outcomes.

Links attract links is a way of describing the value of being online early.  It’s hard to play catch-up to someone who has already promoted themselves.  Especially hard in a political realm where and early approach wrapped up areas that could have been in play.  Add in the Internets tendency to trust sites with more links and a late start can be a recipe for disaster.

Allow the ends to connect is a model of democracy where the community is knit and communicates more with each other than with the leader.  The distributed nature of the campaign doesn’t guarantee a volunteer input on policy, but it does open a safe place in which to debate the finer points of the campaign with peers.  It turns every supporter into someone who can speak for the candidates, recruit new volunteers and influence the outcome.

Howard Dean’s campaign team pulled together an unprecedented race for an unknown.  The Internet was critical to the progress Dean made.  But as a long shot, he couldn’t overcome traditional party candidates.  What he did was educate an entire group about the potential of the Internet in bringing a candidate to the public’s attention and the Internets potential in generating volunteers.

But there are arguments where social media has been used successful to spark real-world beneficial activity.  That&#039;s where the Obama online campaign was incredibly successful.

In summary, you&#039;re right.  But only because it&#039;s HARD to get it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While txt for donations is a unique fundraising approach that raises dollars from non-traditional donors, it does have drawbacks.  The true value in any donor is the life time value (LTV).  LTV describes the likely total giving to a charity based on the previous acquisition of donors.  While it’s commonly used to calculate a reasonable cost for acquisition, it also informs on the issue of one-time donors.  The text and payment through a cell phone bill prevents the charity from learning the identity of the donor.  That means the LTV of the donors solicited through this m-Commerce model is $5.  Not a significant gain for the charity.  A more robust networked approach may have garnered the same initial total and enhanced their database with donors who might contribute $5/month for 3 years for a LTV of $180. </p>
<p>Capturing information that allows a charity to build a relationship with the donor is almost always the best investment for long term growth.</p>
<p>Where social networking/media has been used successfully is US politics.  Barrack Obama is usually the success story written about, but I think Howard Dean is the originator. </p>
<p>Howard Dean launched e-Philanthropy in the American political context.  He was the darling of the blogging set.  While he used the Internet, it was really a grassroots movement that sprung up around him using the tool meetup.com.  Howard Dean listened and read his supporters.  He responded to their criticisms and comments.  He removed any campaign impediments to grassroots activities.  Gary Wolf’s article in January 2004 “Wired” connected his early success with five popular Internet axioms:<br />
•	Make the network stupid.<br />
•	Let the ants do the work.<br />
•	Leaders are places.<br />
•	Links attract links.<br />
•	Allow the ends to connect.   </p>
<p>Make the network stupid was the campaigns approach to not optimizing supporters for anything in particular.  The implications were that the central campaign allowed hundreds of independent groups to function without interference.  By focusing on a model where information was pushed out, and results were received, but planning, choices and decisions are at the grass roots level there was nothing to interfere with continuous growth. </p>
<p>Let the ants do the work was the part of the model that allowed those in traditional un-influential states to impact the early campaign.  “Because the entire Dean system [was] densely linked, the distant work of all the local groups feeds back into the campaign.”  The information that was pushed out from headquarters was enhanced by the mesh of volunteers.  Materials were sent among groups.  Intensive letter writing campaigns from one part of the country changed the outcome in completely different states.</p>
<p>Leaders are places is an interesting way to describe the welcoming approach of the Dean campaign.  In effect, Dean’s run for Presidential-nomination was about providing a way – a place – for others to participate.  The ease of participation connected bloggers to other bloggers and influenced outcomes.</p>
<p>Links attract links is a way of describing the value of being online early.  It’s hard to play catch-up to someone who has already promoted themselves.  Especially hard in a political realm where and early approach wrapped up areas that could have been in play.  Add in the Internets tendency to trust sites with more links and a late start can be a recipe for disaster.</p>
<p>Allow the ends to connect is a model of democracy where the community is knit and communicates more with each other than with the leader.  The distributed nature of the campaign doesn’t guarantee a volunteer input on policy, but it does open a safe place in which to debate the finer points of the campaign with peers.  It turns every supporter into someone who can speak for the candidates, recruit new volunteers and influence the outcome.</p>
<p>Howard Dean’s campaign team pulled together an unprecedented race for an unknown.  The Internet was critical to the progress Dean made.  But as a long shot, he couldn’t overcome traditional party candidates.  What he did was educate an entire group about the potential of the Internet in bringing a candidate to the public’s attention and the Internets potential in generating volunteers.</p>
<p>But there are arguments where social media has been used successful to spark real-world beneficial activity.  That&#8217;s where the Obama online campaign was incredibly successful.</p>
<p>In summary, you&#8217;re right.  But only because it&#8217;s HARD to get it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t come across as hostile at all, you make fabulous points.

The concern I express is the potential for people who want to help to be satisfied with just talking. The more charities that ask you to tweet or retweet or Fan a page and give you some reward for it (the satisfaction of being conspicuously compassionate), the more I worry that those who may have actually done something now won&#039;t.

This is not currently an entirely statistically defensible worry, I don&#039;t disagree for a second. That sort of data just doesn&#039;t exist (that I&#039;ve been able to find). But I think it&#039;s a legitimate area for discussion at the very least.

Thank you very much for your thoughtful comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t come across as hostile at all, you make fabulous points.</p>
<p>The concern I express is the potential for people who want to help to be satisfied with just talking. The more charities that ask you to tweet or retweet or Fan a page and give you some reward for it (the satisfaction of being conspicuously compassionate), the more I worry that those who may have actually done something now won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This is not currently an entirely statistically defensible worry, I don&#8217;t disagree for a second. That sort of data just doesn&#8217;t exist (that I&#8217;ve been able to find). But I think it&#8217;s a legitimate area for discussion at the very least.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your thoughtful comment!</p>
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		<title>By: J.E. Sawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.E. Sawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize if this comes off as hostile, but this is not a statistically compelling argument to me.  I understand that stating your intentions often leads to less follow-through, but are there statistics on how that correlates to a net increase or decrease in donations achieved via social networking?  I am more concerned about the practical amount of money raised than about how &quot;legit&quot; anyone retweeting/Facebook sharing is in their concern.

Let me ask you this: would you rather have more money raised and a lower percentage of people donating, or less money raised and a higher percentage of people donating?  If we can achieve more/higher, I&#039;m all for it.  But if I have to take one over the other, I&#039;d probably take the former.  It&#039;s true that charities need to catch up with our social networking media, but I would be surprised if it were not generating more donations overall (even if individuals have a lower rate of participation).

That said, I do agree that we (speaking of Americans and presumably Canadians) have a general social obsession with displays of charity.  I think it is often polarizing.  There are a lot of vocal people out there who ostensibly believe that every act of kindness should be some sort of Markian messianic secret, not to be shared with the world.  I was actually quite surprised when I donated to UNICEF and they gave me the option of posting the donation on my Facebook page.  Similarly, I generally don&#039;t tell people that I donate my time as a tutor because there&#039;s a social stigma against doing so.  I think this trap leads to &quot;safe&quot; displays of support like joining Facebook groups or retweeting links -- because if you&#039;re the one person going out of his or her way to pointedly say what you&#039;ve contributed, many people will see you as being ostentatious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize if this comes off as hostile, but this is not a statistically compelling argument to me.  I understand that stating your intentions often leads to less follow-through, but are there statistics on how that correlates to a net increase or decrease in donations achieved via social networking?  I am more concerned about the practical amount of money raised than about how &#8220;legit&#8221; anyone retweeting/Facebook sharing is in their concern.</p>
<p>Let me ask you this: would you rather have more money raised and a lower percentage of people donating, or less money raised and a higher percentage of people donating?  If we can achieve more/higher, I&#8217;m all for it.  But if I have to take one over the other, I&#8217;d probably take the former.  It&#8217;s true that charities need to catch up with our social networking media, but I would be surprised if it were not generating more donations overall (even if individuals have a lower rate of participation).</p>
<p>That said, I do agree that we (speaking of Americans and presumably Canadians) have a general social obsession with displays of charity.  I think it is often polarizing.  There are a lot of vocal people out there who ostensibly believe that every act of kindness should be some sort of Markian messianic secret, not to be shared with the world.  I was actually quite surprised when I donated to UNICEF and they gave me the option of posting the donation on my Facebook page.  Similarly, I generally don&#8217;t tell people that I donate my time as a tutor because there&#8217;s a social stigma against doing so.  I think this trap leads to &#8220;safe&#8221; displays of support like joining Facebook groups or retweeting links &#8212; because if you&#8217;re the one person going out of his or her way to pointedly say what you&#8217;ve contributed, many people will see you as being ostentatious.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The part that concerns me is that I&#039;m not surprised at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part that concerns me is that I&#8217;m not surprised at all&#8230;</p>
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